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		<title>Mythos &amp; Logos: Two Ways of Explaining the World
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		<dc:creator>Randy Hoyt</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throughout our history, we human beings have used two different approaches to think about the world around us and to acquire knowledge of it: mythical thinking and logical thinking. In the first eight issues and twenty-five articles here at <em>Journey to the Sea</em>, we have explored a wide variety of material produced through mythical thinking. In this issue, I want to take a step back from these mythic narratives to contrast these two ways of thinking. Grasping the distinction between these two approaches can provide insight into and appreciation for these stories which we might otherwise dismiss as illogical &#8212; as well as help us embrace a little more mythical thinking in our own lives.</p>
<p>I find it useful when discussing this distinction to consider the Greek words from which our English words &#8220;logical&#8221; and &#8220;mythical&#8221; have been derived,  <em>logos</em> and <em>mythos</em>. Both Greek words can be translated as something like &#8220;story&#8221; or &#8220;account&#8221;; mythical thinking and logical thinking both provide an account of the world, but they do so in very different ways. Those using logical thinking approach the world scientifically and empirically. They look for explanations using observable facts, controlled experiments, and deductive proofs. Truth discovered through <em>logos</em> seeks to be objective and universal. Those using mythical thinking, on the other hand, approach the world through less direct, more intuitive means. A person might gain poetic insights into the nature of the world by seeing a caterpillar emerge from a cocoon or watching a full moon rise as the sun sets. Truth discovered through <em>mythos</em> is more subjective, based on individual feelings and experiences.</p>
<p>To illustrate the difference between these two approaches, let me consider one of nature&#8217;s most perplexing conundrums: why the turtle has a shell. A <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14892" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.newscientist.com/article/dn14892?referer=');">recent article in New Scientist magazine</a> demonstrates how the techniques of logical thinking have been applied to this question. Modern turtle shells are deeply infused with the turtles&#8217; skeletons; observations made on turtle embryos suggested that the shell might have been an outgrowth from the dorsal ribs and the vertebrae. Bone fragments recently discovered in New Mexico, however, show that this hypothesis was incorrect. The fragments came from an ancestor of the turtle with something like the armor of an armadillo; since the rows of armored plates were not connected to the skeleton, the shells of later turtles could not have been an outgrowth of it. More experiments will be performed and more observations will be made to explain the turtle&#8217;s shell in terms of physical causes and effects.</p>
<p>An Aesopic fable demonstrates how the techniques of mythical thinking have been applied to this same question. In a previous article, I discussed <a title="Zeus and the Turtle: An Aesopic Fable" href="http://journeytothesea.com/zeus-turtle-aesop/">this fable of Zeus and the Turtle</a> in great detail: Zeus invites all the animals to his wedding, but the turtle skips the wedding because she prefers being in her own home than being anywhere else; as punishment, Zeus makes her carry her house with her everywhere she goes. We do not possess any description of the thought-process involved in the creation of this fable. We could guess that some ancient person might have observed the turtle&#8217;s slow pace and understood the turtle as downcast and humiliated, struggling under its great burden &#8212; or perhaps an observer saw in the turtle great determination in the face of life&#8217;s adversities. If a story already existed of a divinity punishing a disobedient creature, the observer may have retold the story with a turtle as the disobedient character to express the insights from this observation; perhaps the events of the narrative and the explanation occurred to the observer simultaneously. We cannot know for sure the origin of this story, but something like this strikes me as a possible development.</p>
<p>The academic discipline of mythology is perhaps best understood as the application of the techniques of logical thinking to the products of mythical thinking; this is nicely illustrated by the fact that the English word <em>mythology</em> is derived from both Greek words <em>mythos</em> and <em>logos</em>. My own discussion of the Aesopic fable fits nicely within this discipline because it is an attempt to explain the fable in a objective, historical fashion. But the reverse also occurs: the techniques of mythical thinking can be applied to the products of logical thinking. Fantasy authors often incorporate scientific discoveries and theories into their stories: Philip Pullman connects dark matter with Milton in the <em>His Dark Materials</em> trilogy, and Madeleine L&#8217;Engle examines the space/time continuum and the theory of relativity in her <em>Time</em> quintet. Many science-fiction authors have scientific backgrounds and use narratives to work out for themselves and to convey to others the mythical significance of findings in their various fields.</p>
<p>Many of the great advances in civilization have been the product of these two ways of thinking working together. Artists, poets, musicians, and other mythical thinkers rely on the tools and techniques of <em>logos</em> for their own works of <em>mythos</em>: in a previous article, I discussed the effects of iron tools on the <a title="Totem Poles: Myths Carved In Cedar" href="http://journeytothesea.com/totem-poles/">art of totem-pole carving</a>. The pursuits of <em>logos</em> are in turn influenced by <em>mythos</em>: logical thinkers have figured out, for example, how to cure illnesses and prolong the average human lifespan, but they have learned through mythical thinking to value human life enough to bother. Products of <em>logos</em> enable us to communicate with the people who matter most to us (even when they are thousands of miles away), but <em>mythos</em> provides the context for us to know which people matter and what we should say to them when we do communicate. These exchanges, interactions, and dependencies demonstrate to me that <em>mythos</em> and <em>logos</em> are best seen as complementary to each other.</p>
<p>Though we have inherited great traditions in both mythical thinking and logical thinking, logical thinking has risen to such prominence that many no longer realize any another approach exists. The decline of mythical thinking throughout much of the industrialized world has resulted in the unfortunate loss of a sense of transcendence and of the value of human life. Some people argue that this has been responsible for much of the devastation in the last one hundred years. (I explore this connection in <a title="Biblical Narratives in Doris Lessing's Shikasta" href="http://journeytothesea.com/lessing-shikasta/">an article discussing <em>Shikasta</em></a>, a science-fiction novel by Doris Lessing.) I would not argue that mythical thinking can cure all of humanity&#8217;s problems &#8212; I imagine that an equal amount of damage has been done on account of both <em>mythos</em> and <em>logos</em> &#8212; but I <em>would</em> argue that it is now our burden and privilege to re-discover mythical thinking and to wrestle with the proper way to re-integrate these two ways of thinking into our lives.</p>
<p>One of my main goals with this site is the opportunity to explore for myself this integration of <em>mythos</em> and <em>logos</em>. I will continue to publish articles that explore myths and mythical thinking: the next issue will contain an article on mythical thinking in the teachings of Jesus and one on the way modern artists and authors understand their own art in mythical terms. But I would also love to hear from you: please leave a comment below discussing your own thoughts and experiences with mythical thinking. What has led you to appreciate <em>mythos</em> in a <em>logos</em>-heavy culture? In what ways have you embraced it and what value have you found in it? How do you think we should best integrate mythical and logical thinking?</p>
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<h3>Works Consulted / Recommended Reading</h3>
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<li>Sløk, Johannes. <cite><a title="Devotional Lanuage | Find This Book In A Library (worldcat.org)" href="http://www.worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/34919702" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/34919702?referer=');">Devotional Language</a></cite>. Translated by Henrik Mossin. Danbury: Walter De Gruyter Incorporated, 1996.</li>
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<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Sløk approaches the issue of mythical thinking and logical thinking through the philosophy of language. (One excellent section of his book has the provocative title &#8220;The Awkwardness of Rational Language.&#8221;) He uses the mysteries related to Demeter and Persephone practiced in ancient Greece at Eleusis, a coastal city outside of Athens, as his primary example of mythical thinking throughout the book.</p>
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<li>Buxton, Richard, editor. <cite><a title="From Myth To Reason? | Find This Book In A Library (worldcat.org)" href="http://www.worldcat.org/wcpa/isbn/0199247528" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.worldcat.org/wcpa/isbn/0199247528?referer=');">From Myth to Reason? : Studies in the Development of Greek Thought</a></cite>. Oxford UP, 1999.</li>
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<p style="padding-left: 60px;">It has long been taken for granted that Greek society moved from <em>mythos</em> to <em>logos</em> in the sixth to fourth centuries BCE, culminating in the works of Aristotle. Recent scholars, however, are challenging this generalization and seeking to understand the importance of <em>mythos</em> throughout Greek society. This book contains papers delivered at an academic conference in 1996 exploring this theme.</p>
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<li>Peters, F. E. <a title="The Monotheists, Volume 2 | Find This Book In A Library (worldcat.org)" href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/50960846" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.worldcat.org/oclc/50960846?referer=');"><cite>The Monotheists, Volume 2 &#8211; The Words and Will of God</cite></a>. New York: Princeton UP, 2003.</li>
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<p style="padding-left: 60px;">This two-volume series explores Judaism, Christianity, and Islam from many different perspectives. In chapter seven of the second volume, titled &#8220;Theology,&#8221; Peters uses the <em>mythos</em>/<em>logos</em> distinction to discuss the  development of theology in these monotheistic religions over a period of nearly two thousand years. He shows that both have been essential to theology, with the emphasis shifting back and forth in different times and in different religious communities.</p>
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<li>Armstrong, Karen. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/0345391691/?tag=randyhoyt-20" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/dp/product/0345391691/?tag=randyhoyt-20&amp;referer=');"><cite>The Battle for God: A History of Fundamentalism</cite></a>. New York: Ballantine Books, 2001.</li>
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<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Armstrong draws heavily on Sløk&#8217;s work to define <em>mythos</em> and <em>logos</em>. She brings these concepts into the twentieth century, exploring how these two ways of thinking are reflected in fundamentalist movements in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. She argues that these uniquely modern movements are the results of applying the works of <em>mythos</em> to the concerns of <em>logos</em>.</p>
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<li>Shelburne, Walter A. &#8220;Introduction.&#8221; <a title="Mythos and Logos ... Carl Jung | Find This Book In A Library (worldcat.org)" href="http://www.worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/16091547" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/16091547?referer=');"><em>Mythos and Logos in the Thought of Carl Jung</em></a>. <span id="citation_text">Albany: SUNY Press, 1988.</span></li>
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<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Although Carl Jung never used the terms <em>mythos</em> and <em>logos</em>, Shelburne argues that this distinction provides insight into Jung&#8217;s thought. The introduction of the book provides an excellent discussion of <em>mythos</em> and <em>logos</em>. The author briefly contrasts Jung&#8217;s view with two other views in an attempt to clarify what Jung would have thought about these two ways of thinking. The whole introduction nicely illustrates the difficulty of talking about mythical thinking in terms of logical thinking.</p>
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<li>Pirsig, Robert. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/0553277472/?tag=randyhoyt-20" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/dp/product/0553277472/?tag=randyhoyt-20&amp;referer=');"><em>Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into Values</em></a>. New York: Bantam, 1984.</li>
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<p style="padding-left: 60px;">This is a fascinating novel in its own right, but of particular relevance here is the narrator&#8217;s distinction between classical understanding and romantic understanding. This distinction addresses aspects of the <em>mythos</em>/<em>logos</em> distinction from a different angle. The narrator introduced the concept of &#8220;Quality&#8221; as a way to overcome the classical/romantic dichotomy.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">He approaches the problem through the philosophy of science, and  I found his comments on the scientific method to be particularly thought-provoking: Where do hypotheses that science tests originate? Are there an infinite number of hypotheses to any given problem? Can scientific results ever be conclusive when it is impossible to test an infinite number of hypotheses?</p>
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		<title>Zeus and the Turtle: An Aesopic Fable
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Randy Hoyt</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Issue 4]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Aesopic Fables]]></category>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my first article in this series, titled <a href="../two-themes-west/">God and Man: Two Western Themes</a>, I introduced two contrary themes that describe the ends of a spectrum concerning man’s response to the divine found in a variety of Western myths:</p>
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<li>“Religious”: Man must submit to God as the absolute authority. God is good, and His actions are beyond human scrutiny.</li>
<li>“Humanistic”: Man should judge whether God’s actions are good or wicked. If man determines that God is wicked, he should rebel against him.</li>
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<p>I have previously looked at two myths involving characters disobeying divine commands:  <a href="../satan-paradise-lost/">Satan in <em>Paradise Lost</em></a> and <a href="../disobedience-iblis-sufism/">Iblis in the <em>Qur’an</em></a>. For each of these stories, we have seen two main lines of interpretation &#8212; one approving the disobedient character&#8217;s actions and one disapproving them &#8212; and explored how these interpretations reflect those two themes. I will now conclude this series by looking at another such story of disobedience, the Aesopic fable of Zeus and the turtle.</p>
<p>This fable exists in many different versions spanning hundreds of years, but the basic plot in each is the same. Zeus invites the animals to his wedding. All the animals attend except the turtle, who either skips the wedding altogether or shows up incredibly late. When Zeus later asks the turtle why she did not attend, she replies with some proverbial expression similar to the English, “There’s no place like home.” Zeus gets angry at the turtle and makes her carry her home with her wherever she goes. This type of fable is called “aetiological” (from Greek <em>aition</em>, “cause”) because it explains the origin or cause of something — in this case, how the turtle got her shell.</p>
<p>Aesopic fables have not received the same volume of literary criticism or commentary as <em>Paradise Lost</em> and the <em>Qur&#8217;an</em>. To find interpretations of this fable, I will look at a variety of sources: the morals attached to different versions of the fable, an essay from the seventeenth century, and recent work in Aesopic scholarship.</p>
<p>The oldest written version of the fable exists in a collection most likely dating from the second or third century CE. The author of this collection interprets the fable in a single-sentence moral following the story:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The fable shows that people often prefer to live simply at home than to  live lavishly at someone else&#8217;s house. </em>(Gibbs 235)</p></blockquote>
<p>In this interpretation, the turtle is not criticized for judging the divine command and then choosing to disobey it. The moral does not explicitly <em>praise</em> the turtle&#8217;s actions, but the lack of criticism reflects in part what I am calling the &#8220;humanistic theme.&#8221; The turtle confined to her shell could be seen as somewhat analogous to Prometheus unjustly chained to the rocky crags, whom I mentioned in <a href="http://journeytothesea.com/two-themes-west/">the first article</a> in this series.</p>
<p>This interpretation appears in the oldest <em>written</em> version of the fable, but Aesopic fables existed in <em>oral</em> form for at least five hundred years before this. The aetiological fables originally worked like folktales to explain the world, and morals were most likely attached to them at a later time (Rodríguez Adrados 162). The Latin grammarian Servius, writing near the end of the fourth century CE, tells a version of the fable without a moral. (This comes in his grammatical commentary on Virgil&#8217;s <em>Aeneid</em> , referring to line I.505 that contains a form of the word <em>testudo</em>, Latin for &#8220;turtle.&#8221;) In this version, the turtle begins as a nymph named Khelônê (Greek for &#8220;turtle&#8221;). She says nothing about the value of her own house but simply mocks the wedding from afar. When Mercury (Jupiter&#8217;s wedding coordinator in this version) discovers her absence, he punishes her by turning her into an animal and throwing her house on top of her.</p>
<p>An important difference between this fable and the stories of Satan and Iblis is the lack of a religious context. Zeus&#8217;s invitation is not exactly a command, it relates to a social function and not to any form of worship, and the turtle&#8217;s punishment does not seem to be a spiritual one. Many interpreters allegorize Aesopic fables with gods to place them in a more secular context. Ancient Greek society was governed by relationships of reciprocity, and some interpreters in antiquity would most likely have understood this fable as a criticism of the turtle for neglecting her social responsibilities (Zafiropoulos 105). Though it does not appear in any surviving ancient texts, this interpretation does appear in a version published in 1604 by Candidus Pantaleon. The turtle arrives at the wedding late, espousing her proverbial expression to Jupiter there. Pantaleon criticizes the turtle on three points in his moral:</p>
<blockquote><p>[1] There are some who are accustomed to have practically preferred paltry things to the great splendors of palaces. [2] You should be afraid to provoke nobles by delaying. <span class="ellipsis">[&#0133;]</span> [3] You should be quick to placate your wrong actions with speech. (105)</p></blockquote>
<p>Though these interpretations can hardly be said to reflect the religious theme in full &#8212; Zeus is not portrayed as transcendent good beyond all human scrutiny &#8212; they do reflect it in part. The turtle has an obligation to respect and obey Zeus; she is criticized for disobeying his command and for doing what she incorrectly thought was right.</p>
<p>Sir Roger L&#8217;Estrange collected and translated a large number of fables into English in 1692, attaching to each fable a short essay inspired by it. In the fable of Zeus and the turtle, he recognizes both interpretations:</p>
<blockquote><p>We are to learn from hence (says the old Moral) that [1] there&#8217;s no trifling, dallying, or delaying with Men in Power: And that [2] Contentment in a mean Condition at Home, is beyond all the luxurious Treats in the World. (198)</p></blockquote>
<p>L&#8217;Estrange prefers the second interpretation, and his essay proceeds to praise the turtle for his sensibility and common sense and to criticize the vanity, pomp, over-indulgence, and wickedness represented by Jupiter and his palace. L&#8217;Estrange&#8217;s interpretation reflects fully what I have been calling the &#8220;humanistic theme,&#8221; in which the disobedient character is praised for scrutinizing and disobeying the divine command. Ironically, however, L&#8217;Estrange concludes his essay by placing this interpretation in a <em>religious</em> context by introducing Providence over and above Jupiter:</p>
<blockquote><p>What was the Punishment? [Jupiter] sent [the Tortoise] Home again. That is to say, [Jupiter] remanded [the Tortoise] to <span class="ellipsis">[&#0133;]</span> his [own] Choice. <span class="ellipsis">[&#0133;]</span> Providence turns the very Punishment of a good Man, into an Equivalence to a Reward, by improving that to his Advantage, which was intended for his Ruin. (199)</p></blockquote>
<p>These two themes summarize well the range of insights found in Western myths concerning man&#8217;s relationship to the divine. These myths of disobedience against a divine command, along with their contrary interpretations, demonstrate the importance of these two themes in the Western tradition. Furthermore, these differing interpretations should caution us against presuming that individual myths have &#8220;meanings&#8221; in any absolute sense. Even stories like <em>Paradise Lost</em> that appear to be overtly religious can inspire in readers a secular or humanistic sentiment. We should not dismiss any of these interpretations as &#8220;incorrect&#8221; but should seek instead to understand the personal, cultural, and universal human factors that have led to these various interpretations.</p>
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<h3>References</h3>
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<li>Gibbs, Laura. <em>Aesop&#8217;s Fables</em>. New York: Oxford University Press, 2002.</li>
<li>Rodríguez Adrados, Francisco. <em>A History of the Graeco-Latin Fable</em>. Trans. Leslie A. Ray. New York: Brill, 1999.</li>
<li>Maurus Servius Honoratus. <cite>Commentary on the Aeneid of Vergil</cite>. (<a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Serv.+A.+1.505" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Serv.+A.+1.505&amp;referer=');">Latin text available online</a>.)</li>
<li>Zafiropoulos, Christos A. <em>Ethics in Aesop&#8217;s Fables: The Augustana Collection</em>. New York: Brill, 2001.</li>
<li>Candidus Pantaleon. <em>Centum et Quinquaginta Fabulae</em>. 1604. Unpublished translation by Laura Gibbs. (<a href="http://aesopus.pbwiki.com/pantaleon" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/aesopus.pbwiki.com/pantaleon?referer=');">Latin text available online</a>.)</li>
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