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		<title>Comment on G.K. Chesterton on Fairy Tales
 by Meep!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meep!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 05:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, that was more to Travis, but Bipolar, you might enjoy the book I referred to at the end!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was more to Travis, but Bipolar, you might enjoy the book I referred to at the end!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on G.K. Chesterton on Fairy Tales
 by Meep!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meep!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 05:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Travis and Bipolar,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chesterton is quite clear that Orthodoxy is not, primarily, a work of positive, apologetic proof for the existence of God: it is merely his [Chesterton&#039;s] journey back to what he came to see as the best possible set of beliefs for living one&#039;s life, i.e., The Apostle&#039;s Creed (as he concludes).  Some may even say, as the author does, an autobiography.  In short, the work humorously traces the intellectual journey of this terribly intelligent fellow, and explains why he, himself, came to believe in Christianity.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That being said, your attack on this book for it&#039;s being &quot;circular&quot; is off the mark. Of course, since it is a Catholic&#039;s Theists autobiography, the book revolves around the central axiom that GOD EXISTS (in other words, the author does in fact believe God exists).*  I believe you meant to say that Chesterton was coherent =D.  In seriousness, What you were trying to convey by &quot;circular,&quot; I believe, was that you think his argument takes the Assumption: &quot;God exists&quot; only to come to the Conclusion: &quot;God exists.&quot;  But if you think this is the basic argument of the book, you, to put it bluntly, missed the point.  The book is pretty much one, big, jolly, &quot;Reductio ad Absurdum.&quot;He essentially &quot;bites the heels&quot; of other rival philosophical systems, shows the innate absurdity of each, i.e., that determinism completely undercuts the justice system, and from there, goes on to explain how all of this intellectual searching brought him back to Christianity, the only system which he found to be the most existentially, and philosophically ( It provides answers to Epistemological, Metaphysical, Ontological, and Ethical Questions) complete.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With this brief background, I think you might be able to see the relevance of &quot;The Ethics of Elfland.&quot;  This chapter reveals some of the basic axioms** (intuitions, if you will) Chesterton held, which lead him to reject the other philosophies and accept Christianity: it is foundational to the book.  As the main point of the chapter is to reveal Chesterton&#039;s belief that Life is beautiful and full of Wonder, one can now easily see how he would be attracted  to the Judeo-Christian Tradition, which teaches that, &quot;We must see the hand [to avoid confusion, Will] of God in all things, and this should bring us joy.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hope this helps a bit!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Side note:  If you want to read some heavier, philosophical defense of Christian belief, May I suggest &quot;Warranted Christian Belief,&quot; By Alvin Plantinga  :D&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;Just as Richard Dawkins&#039; or any other Naturalist&#039;s work revolves around the fact that God DOES NOT EXIST.  If this is your criterion for &#039;circularity,&#039; then we are all screwed! &lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;**That life and people are wonderful.  Keep in mind the bleak background of philosophical pessimism that dominated the contemporary academic milieu.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis and Bipolar,</p>

<p>Chesterton is quite clear that Orthodoxy is not, primarily, a work of positive, apologetic proof for the existence of God: it is merely his [Chesterton's] journey back to what he came to see as the best possible set of beliefs for living one&#8217;s life, i.e., The Apostle&#8217;s Creed (as he concludes).  Some may even say, as the author does, an autobiography.  In short, the work humorously traces the intellectual journey of this terribly intelligent fellow, and explains why he, himself, came to believe in Christianity.  </p>

<p>That being said, your attack on this book for it&#8217;s being &#8220;circular&#8221; is off the mark. Of course, since it is a Catholic&#8217;s Theists autobiography, the book revolves around the central axiom that GOD EXISTS (in other words, the author does in fact believe God exists).*  I believe you meant to say that Chesterton was coherent =D.  In seriousness, What you were trying to convey by &#8220;circular,&#8221; I believe, was that you think his argument takes the Assumption: &#8220;God exists&#8221; only to come to the Conclusion: &#8220;God exists.&#8221;  But if you think this is the basic argument of the book, you, to put it bluntly, missed the point.  The book is pretty much one, big, jolly, &#8220;Reductio ad Absurdum.&#8221;He essentially &#8220;bites the heels&#8221; of other rival philosophical systems, shows the innate absurdity of each, i.e., that determinism completely undercuts the justice system, and from there, goes on to explain how all of this intellectual searching brought him back to Christianity, the only system which he found to be the most existentially, and philosophically ( It provides answers to Epistemological, Metaphysical, Ontological, and Ethical Questions) complete.</p>

<p>With this brief background, I think you might be able to see the relevance of &#8220;The Ethics of Elfland.&#8221;  This chapter reveals some of the basic axioms** (intuitions, if you will) Chesterton held, which lead him to reject the other philosophies and accept Christianity: it is foundational to the book.  As the main point of the chapter is to reveal Chesterton&#8217;s belief that Life is beautiful and full of Wonder, one can now easily see how he would be attracted  to the Judeo-Christian Tradition, which teaches that, &#8220;We must see the hand [to avoid confusion, Will] of God in all things, and this should bring us joy.&#8221;</p>

<p>Hope this helps a bit!</p>

<p>Side note:  If you want to read some heavier, philosophical defense of Christian belief, May I suggest &#8220;Warranted Christian Belief,&#8221; By Alvin Plantinga  :D</p>

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<li>Just as Richard Dawkins&#8217; or any other Naturalist&#8217;s work revolves around the fact that God DOES NOT EXIST.  If this is your criterion for &#8216;circularity,&#8217; then we are all screwed! </li>
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<p>**That life and people are wonderful.  Keep in mind the bleak background of philosophical pessimism that dominated the contemporary academic milieu.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on G.K. Chesterton on Fairy Tales
 by Eric</title>
		<link>http://journeytothesea.com/chesterton-fairy-tales/comment-page-1/#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All authority is relational, and yet we as a people are still &quot;Straining out Gnats in order to swallow Camels&quot;. . . Materialism, Evolution theory, Apologetics . . . all of it. 
Firstly it is as one who not only believes in the God of the Bible that I say, &quot;If my God was small enough for me to understand he wouldn&#039;t be worth my time.&quot; Yet those like Chesterton, Lewis, and Tolkein all educated men showed themselves to be brilliant men in how the applied what they learned as Chesterton said it best when he said, &quot;he was concerned (or contemplating) a way of looking at life. . .&quot; 
Whether one recognizes anything outside of themselves is at its core a personal choice. . . The problem for most is in Living w/ Their choice - Period ! -&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For Myths are exactly that,  a window/lense in which we can look at life . . . Honestly. No-one is qualified to disprove any myth strictly on the basis of Inconveince or as some say their Individuality . . . ; p - Because my faith in the Author of the Universe has nothing to do w/ your Choices. 
So in light of this I want to say that for me &quot;story&quot; or &quot;myth&quot; is better seen as a Language in that whether your a Scientist, Mathematian or an Autistic Prodigy (think -Rainman). . . Its a language we all speak and understand. Its when we waste time debating the details or the question of life that we lose out on Life itself. So please remember that if one looks hard enough. . . You will See, Experience, and finally Live your life for what it was meant for . . . To be lived ; ) 
As for me . . . I whole heartily embrace myths as eternal because its the story of my life like my children that will out live me. . . That my friend is how I define Legacy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All authority is relational, and yet we as a people are still &#8220;Straining out Gnats in order to swallow Camels&#8221;. . . Materialism, Evolution theory, Apologetics . . . all of it. 
Firstly it is as one who not only believes in the God of the Bible that I say, &#8220;If my God was small enough for me to understand he wouldn&#8217;t be worth my time.&#8221; Yet those like Chesterton, Lewis, and Tolkein all educated men showed themselves to be brilliant men in how the applied what they learned as Chesterton said it best when he said, &#8220;he was concerned (or contemplating) a way of looking at life. . .&#8221; 
Whether one recognizes anything outside of themselves is at its core a personal choice. . . The problem for most is in Living w/ Their choice &#8211; Period ! -</p>

<p>For Myths are exactly that,  a window/lense in which we can look at life . . . Honestly. No-one is qualified to disprove any myth strictly on the basis of Inconveince or as some say their Individuality . . . ; p &#8211; Because my faith in the Author of the Universe has nothing to do w/ your Choices. 
So in light of this I want to say that for me &#8220;story&#8221; or &#8220;myth&#8221; is better seen as a Language in that whether your a Scientist, Mathematian or an Autistic Prodigy (think -Rainman). . . Its a language we all speak and understand. Its when we waste time debating the details or the question of life that we lose out on Life itself. So please remember that if one looks hard enough. . . You will See, Experience, and finally Live your life for what it was meant for . . . To be lived ; ) 
As for me . . . I whole heartily embrace myths as eternal because its the story of my life like my children that will out live me. . . That my friend is how I define Legacy.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Northern Mythological Traditions in The Weirdstone of Brisingamen
 by Lucy Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well personally I loved the Weirdstone of Brisingamen, since it met my criteria of a dramatic tale. This particular story left me reeling from a range of extreme emotions as at times I felt anxious but also very excited!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well personally I loved the Weirdstone of Brisingamen, since it met my criteria of a dramatic tale. This particular story left me reeling from a range of extreme emotions as at times I felt anxious but also very excited!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Totem Poles: Myths Carved In Cedar
 by andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;awesome this going to help A LOT in my school project thank u very much for this story&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome this going to help A LOT in my school project thank u very much for this story</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Totem Poles: Myths Carved In Cedar
 by Trenton</title>
		<link>http://journeytothesea.com/totem-poles/comment-page-1/#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>Trenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow a vary intreaging story indeed, thank you know I can finish, my School prodject.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow a vary intreaging story indeed, thank you know I can finish, my School prodject.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Mythos &amp; Logos: Two Ways of Explaining the World
 by Randy Hoyt</title>
		<link>http://journeytothesea.com/mythos-logos/comment-page-1/#comment-1312</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Hoyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are certainly myths that have prophets and prophecies in them. Is that what you mean? Or is there something more specific?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certainly myths that have prophets and prophecies in them. Is that what you mean? Or is there something more specific?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Mythos &amp; Logos: Two Ways of Explaining the World
 by sola ogunbayo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sola ogunbayo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for this great article. I enjoyed reading it. Would you please enlighten me on the possibility of using myth as prophecy: is there anything like a prophetic myth?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this great article. I enjoyed reading it. Would you please enlighten me on the possibility of using myth as prophecy: is there anything like a prophetic myth?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Aesop, Diogenes, Rumi: The Lamp in Daylight
 by dautstomika</title>
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		<dc:creator>dautstomika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;purchase  for gift   to your friends&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>purchase  for gift   to your friends</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Totem Poles: Myths Carved In Cedar
 by Anna</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also for the meanings of the animals are they different for each tribe?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also for the meanings of the animals are they different for each tribe?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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